I've noticed when the topic of parental rights comes up, many leftists automatically presume malice, reference abuse, or have a generally negative outlook about the average parent. Why? I believe it's because it's a projection of their personal experience growing up.
I agree this is absolutely a factor for a lot of them. They also can't understand that a parent can disapprove of something their child does without hating them or cutting them off. You can love someone unconditionally without loving everything about them, and certainly without agreeing with them on everything.
I believe a few are motivated by an irrational belief, based on their own childhoods, that parents are the natural enemies of their children, but I also believe most are sociopathic-oriented and motivated by the thrill of separating children from their parents. Look at the ADHD/ADD cult and the threat against parents who try and protect their (mostly) boys. Schools, child protective services, courts and many of the general public are all in on this. I've known more than a few parents who were threatened with having their young sons removed if they didn't go along with them being drugged into zombiehood.
There are definitely those who are sociopaths and have other personality disorder traits involved in the movement but I just wanted to highlight a sliver of the leftist movement.
Thank you for your response. There is a sliver on the left and thank you for reminding me. I probably sound very judgmental but I am prone, like most females, to give the benefit of the doubt. But my tolerance for the violation of that benefit is zero.
I have a corollary worry: The presumption of *non-abuse* by much of society when it comes to transing kids. The act itself is the most profoundly abusive form of child mistreatment we have ever seen in the world short of literal killing/sacrifice.
And, these leftists are not *only* projecting. They are doing that, as you say. But they are also *reversing*. It is they who are abusing or mistreating their children (those who trans them, and in other cases of abuse), and saying "no, it's you normal people not mutilating your children's minds and bodies who are abusing them."
What ends up happening in these public conversations seems to work like the following. I'm using you as an example, Adam, but I am **not** saying that you are doing wrong, or that you are doing the following.
Adam: "We shouldn't presume that most parents abuse their kids. Leftists are wrong about this, and their projected emotions are clouding their judgment."
Normal society: "That's right. And, we normal people must refrain from accusing other parents of abuse, because that would mean we normal people are projecting."
This is what I call the "weapons down" syndrome, or "beating your swords into plougshares" syndrome. Because a group that is in error makes a big error, then we, the normal people, must never, ever say any of the words that the erring group says. Because if we do, we're making the same mistake.
This leads to sensible people refusing to recognize child abuse, refusing to recognize actual narcissistic abuse of coworkers, refusing to call politicians dangerous sociopaths when they are obviously that, and when we're in danger if we don't recognize it.
As always, well written and an interesting perspective I have not heard before. While I agree this has to be the experience for many, I can’t help but see those who immediately vilify parents and the fight against parental rights as often just plain immature as opposed to victims of previous abuse. I see the whole “parents just don’t understand” mentality seeping through plenty of the arguments against parental rights.
Yes, for some it's just the thing to be against or immaturity...
But there are definitely those who are speaking from a personal experience. When you listen to trauma victims, they have ways of telling on themselves even if they don't mean to. Those are the people I wanted to highlight.
A lot of thoughts on this Adam. Its really very thought provoking. The lowest common denominator childhood experience of some leftists who had terrible childhoods should not dictate our national policy or even local policy. One cannot dictate the choices of the many by fixating on the experiences of the few. It's not logical and it's irrational. It makes for bad policy. Moreover its a complete abandonment of the social contract between citizens and their government. No where in any founding documents does the citizenry agree to give up personal autonomy in childrearing to the state. That is not an appropriate role for the state regardless of how bad the parents are. As we all know the ham handed blunt instrument approach of government in that area has not been bargained for by the citizenry nor is it likely constitutional, even when considering most state constitutions. Children are disowned every day across the planet for a variety of reasons not solely related to sexual proclivities, but for many other reasons.
I am sympathetic and perhaps empathetic to those who suffered childhood trauma or unhappiness at the hands of their parents, but this is an area where except for physical harm of any kind (other than reasonable discipline), and severe mental trauma, the state needs to keep it's grubby socialist fingers to itself.
Unfortunately, I don’t think their motivations are mostly benign. Many people are way more wicked than a good-hearted person can imagine. I’m convinced that people who don’t have all the information and don’t know both sides yet, encourage others to cut off their parents are malicious and doing the work of Satan, which is to break up families. These beings want to separate people from their fiercest protectors so they can leave them vulnerable and overtake them and conscript them into their war against society and toward anarchy.
Completely agree Staci. One goal of the leftist plague sweeping across the planet is to undermine the family and the family unit. That is clearly in operation with the leftists who are trying to reduce or remove parental authority over their children and force parents to share that authority with the state.
I agree this is absolutely a factor for a lot of them. They also can't understand that a parent can disapprove of something their child does without hating them or cutting them off. You can love someone unconditionally without loving everything about them, and certainly without agreeing with them on everything.
Yes! Absolutely this.
I believe a few are motivated by an irrational belief, based on their own childhoods, that parents are the natural enemies of their children, but I also believe most are sociopathic-oriented and motivated by the thrill of separating children from their parents. Look at the ADHD/ADD cult and the threat against parents who try and protect their (mostly) boys. Schools, child protective services, courts and many of the general public are all in on this. I've known more than a few parents who were threatened with having their young sons removed if they didn't go along with them being drugged into zombiehood.
There are definitely those who are sociopaths and have other personality disorder traits involved in the movement but I just wanted to highlight a sliver of the leftist movement.
Thank you for your response. There is a sliver on the left and thank you for reminding me. I probably sound very judgmental but I am prone, like most females, to give the benefit of the doubt. But my tolerance for the violation of that benefit is zero.
No problem!
Really glad you wrote this, and it's sensible.
I have a corollary worry: The presumption of *non-abuse* by much of society when it comes to transing kids. The act itself is the most profoundly abusive form of child mistreatment we have ever seen in the world short of literal killing/sacrifice.
And, these leftists are not *only* projecting. They are doing that, as you say. But they are also *reversing*. It is they who are abusing or mistreating their children (those who trans them, and in other cases of abuse), and saying "no, it's you normal people not mutilating your children's minds and bodies who are abusing them."
What ends up happening in these public conversations seems to work like the following. I'm using you as an example, Adam, but I am **not** saying that you are doing wrong, or that you are doing the following.
Adam: "We shouldn't presume that most parents abuse their kids. Leftists are wrong about this, and their projected emotions are clouding their judgment."
Normal society: "That's right. And, we normal people must refrain from accusing other parents of abuse, because that would mean we normal people are projecting."
This is what I call the "weapons down" syndrome, or "beating your swords into plougshares" syndrome. Because a group that is in error makes a big error, then we, the normal people, must never, ever say any of the words that the erring group says. Because if we do, we're making the same mistake.
This leads to sensible people refusing to recognize child abuse, refusing to recognize actual narcissistic abuse of coworkers, refusing to call politicians dangerous sociopaths when they are obviously that, and when we're in danger if we don't recognize it.
Ugh. This is too long. I hope it makes sense.
That makes sense. I always appreciate you adding to the conversation. Thank you.
As always, well written and an interesting perspective I have not heard before. While I agree this has to be the experience for many, I can’t help but see those who immediately vilify parents and the fight against parental rights as often just plain immature as opposed to victims of previous abuse. I see the whole “parents just don’t understand” mentality seeping through plenty of the arguments against parental rights.
Yes, for some it's just the thing to be against or immaturity...
But there are definitely those who are speaking from a personal experience. When you listen to trauma victims, they have ways of telling on themselves even if they don't mean to. Those are the people I wanted to highlight.
A lot of thoughts on this Adam. Its really very thought provoking. The lowest common denominator childhood experience of some leftists who had terrible childhoods should not dictate our national policy or even local policy. One cannot dictate the choices of the many by fixating on the experiences of the few. It's not logical and it's irrational. It makes for bad policy. Moreover its a complete abandonment of the social contract between citizens and their government. No where in any founding documents does the citizenry agree to give up personal autonomy in childrearing to the state. That is not an appropriate role for the state regardless of how bad the parents are. As we all know the ham handed blunt instrument approach of government in that area has not been bargained for by the citizenry nor is it likely constitutional, even when considering most state constitutions. Children are disowned every day across the planet for a variety of reasons not solely related to sexual proclivities, but for many other reasons.
I am sympathetic and perhaps empathetic to those who suffered childhood trauma or unhappiness at the hands of their parents, but this is an area where except for physical harm of any kind (other than reasonable discipline), and severe mental trauma, the state needs to keep it's grubby socialist fingers to itself.
Unfortunately, I don’t think their motivations are mostly benign. Many people are way more wicked than a good-hearted person can imagine. I’m convinced that people who don’t have all the information and don’t know both sides yet, encourage others to cut off their parents are malicious and doing the work of Satan, which is to break up families. These beings want to separate people from their fiercest protectors so they can leave them vulnerable and overtake them and conscript them into their war against society and toward anarchy.
Completely agree Staci. One goal of the leftist plague sweeping across the planet is to undermine the family and the family unit. That is clearly in operation with the leftists who are trying to reduce or remove parental authority over their children and force parents to share that authority with the state.
Satan is doing everything he can to break up the family. He'll use whatever he can to make that happen.
They want to destroy your children...
One can be disappointed with someone while still loving them.
A gay child is much less likely to give their parents grandchildren. Disappointment is almost inevitable.
These people you write about seem to set an impossible standard.